THE FULLBAR SCAM

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In this issue of Indy USA, Charles takes a look at the weight loss product FullBar and tells you why it is the worst weight loss product in the world.

Tuesday, September 16th, 2008

Fullbar will make you lose the weight you want in a healthy way, and keep it off….NOT!

That is not a joke, unless you’re eating Fullbars, in which case the joke is on you. Fullbars are a new product, so I hope to get ahead of the curve with this article. More than a article, consider this a warning and a very harsh verbal wag of the finger to somebody who is NOT adhering to the principles set forth in my debut article (The Dentist Who Loved Me).

That somebody is “Doctor Snyder” who, prior to this attempt to cash in with the Fullbar scam, performed many weight-loss surgery procedures from his headquarters in Denver, CO (or as I like to call it, South Park, aka uptown Colombine). I would like to ramble on about how lame I think he is, but legal types won’t allow it. However, I will point out that any DOCTOR who only gives out one part of his name in his marketing campaign is very likely to be egocentric, out to make a fast buck, and probably has something to hide ( though the addition of “marketing campaign” should really be enough evidence for a poor medical/consumer decision); i.e. Dr. Phil, Dr. John, Dr. Nick, Doc Octopus, Dr. Feelgood (the only good one I can think of is Dr. J and maybe Dr. Teeth from the Muppets, but he was kind of creepy).

To the point, as we’re all very busy with the back-to-school and the changing-of-seasons, and Rosh Hoshannah, Constitution Day on the horizon….I digress.

Here is the scam. Fullbar is basically a fibery blow-up doll, but instead of you fucking it, it fucks you. It also makes you swallow. It’s a fibery cereal-like product that blows up in your stomach after you add (drink) water, and when you eat it with (before) your “two biggest meals of the day”, then wait 30 minutes to eat your meal ( who’s among the over-eaters are that patient? ). Presto, you are un-shockingly full, and therefore don’t snack until your next healthy meal. Gee, exploding cereal combined with a steak and a salad makes you full….what a genius concept!

Although it already sounds so stupid that it must be a scam… Wait… it gets worse.

The marketing angle compares the effects of Fullbar to the effects of gastric bypass surgery, only without the surgery. Really? Eating exploding cereal that expands your stomach will get the same results as major surgery? No that is not their claim.

They claim that the effect of feeling “full” is similar to feeling “full” after having one’s stomach stapled, bypassed, or some similar surgery. OK, but the similar feeling of fullness must mean some kind of similar effect? Yes, you feel full. Depending on the meal you scarf down, after the bar and the water, you probably feel very full, quite possibly to the extent of vomiting, which is quite factually the “effect” of gastric bypass surgery when one tries to overeat…which incurs a tendency toward bulimia. Good times!

Fullbar’s web of scam is quite simple. There are many onion like layers of their evil, which comes in the market freindly gift wrapping. But that’s more a subjective criticism that could be wasted on any infomercial. Here’s the scam, in a few easy steps:

Step 1: Considering the cost and the hassle, Fullbar only claims an average loss of less than 12 pounds in 12 weeks and unless you commit to a long-term Fullbar lifestyle, it offers no long-term solution.

Step 2: Feeling “full” is not what stops the overachieving over-eater. The over-eater feels full for several minutes like any eater, but then is psychologically driven to overeat again. Fullness is their buzz, which is why the over-eater either purges, takes on the excess weight, or does a HELL of a lot of exercise.

The cruelest step of all…Step 3: The effect of fullness comes at a price and with Fullbar that price is precisely counter-intuitive to actually dieting; whether it’s by surgery or shear intake control. The organ that is the stomach is elastic. If we stretch them out, our stomach will increase it’s maximum capacity and eventually blow out it’s elasticity and remain larger than it should. The larger the stomach, the greater the over-eater’s tolerance for the food/fullness buzz.

Controlling intake through diet will keep your stomach at a healthy size that will snap back after being pushed to capacity. Controlling intake through a weight loss surgery is much more extreme but it very plainly reduces stomach size and capacity, as well as typically providing a funnel/gasket so the stomach can’t be filled too fast. Yes, so quite simply what makes a healthy diet work in the long-run is not just losing body fat, but also losing stomach size.

Fat-ness is only a highly likely symptom of over-eating, under-exercising, or very poor diet choices. Be they too fatty or simply too bulky (binging on a bucket of broccoli every day will also expand your stomach…and make your stuff smell extra-funky). It’s what’s going on with the stomach and exactly what’s going into the stomach that points to a specific diagnosis.

Fullbar and the Effects

Fullbar and the Effects

I will say this in Fullbar’s defense…they do say to take it (and the water) 30 minutes before you eat….but, as I’ve said, what over-eater has the time or inclination? Sure, it’s what you’re supposed to do. But if you’re an over-eater, especially if you’re an over-eater with an actual job that won’t let you have your “weight-loss snack break” 30 minutes before you have your scheduled lunch break….well, call me crazy (get in line) but I don’t see it happening.

Step 3.1: What does Fullbar do, if you fudge the timing of your two biggest meals of the day? It expands your stomach beyond the size of your “biggest meal”, which for the over-eater is already more than recommended. By missing your chance to fill yourself with a fibery cereal that increases in size with the water and whatever liquids are in your meal, you are now done with dinner and more hungry.

If you do happen to lose weight, as soon as you go off the Fullbar you will discover that you no longer feel full after a “normal” meal. This obviously urges the over-eater to push the eating envelope further than their old feeling of fullness. It is my opinion (based on my logic) that Fullbar increases the likelihood of a roller-coaster ride of weight; loss and gain (20 pounds lost during diet, 30 pounds gained afterward) among over-eaters. Over-eaters, of course, are the primary consumers of abnormal diet weight-loss products (shakes, bars, strictly-grapefruit, whatever).

Step 4: The return….So, one tried god knows how many things before trying Fullbar, and while some of them worked somewhat (including Fullbar), the over-eater finds him/herself in worse shape than ever, after their diet enhanced by Fullbar. The over-eater’s stomach is more expanded than ever and, after going through the diet program, he/she is apt to reward themselves with a moderate return to foods they were avoiding.

Let the binge begin. So, where does a morbidly obese over-eater go from here? One who has been through the cycle enough to have discovered Fullbar, been desperate enough to actually try it, only to fail in the long-term battle against obesity…what is the endgame?

Uh, did I mention that the good doctor/pitchman is a specialist in weight-loss surgeries? He claims to have performed thousands of them. He went to Harvard. He is no dummy. He is marketing a product that will make him money, while it provides him future patients. Since weight-loss surgery is too often considered cosmetic and therefore un-insurable, he is much more likely to get all the money he’s charging (and for the asking price he deems necessary) by cutting out the insurance middlemen. The cash in question is directly drawn from the over-eater’s personal savings (as well as credit) rather than from his/her insurance, which of course the over-eater pays dearly to maintain regardless of it’s usefulness, if they can afford it at all.

Shame on you, Doctor Snyder. You get zero stars from me, both as a doctor and an entrepreneur. As they say in Harvard’s Bostonian headquarters, “Go screw.”

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29 Comments

  1. Sharon added these pithy words on December 29, 2008 | Permalink

    You have no idea what you are talking about! I don’t know what product you tried, but I have been using FullBar for a while now and have had great success.

  2. a added these pithy words on January 22, 2009 | Permalink

    you’re an idiot sharon.

  3. Mike added these pithy words on February 3, 2009 | Permalink

    For the first 4 paragraphs of the article the author failed to say anything remotely intelligent. I thought the author was just some dumb ass ranting about a product he had never tried.

    However, once the author to the “4 steps” he mentioned, he actually made a logical intelligent argument on why fullbar is a bad idea. He basically admits that eating a fullbar will do exactly what it is intended to do, make you full so you eat less at meals (so not contradicting what the bar claims to do), but then goes on to list all of the negative side affects.

    I would like to see some reviews on this product of people that have lost weight with fullbar (obviously people do, lots of reviews on the internet where people said they did), but then have been of of it for 4-6 months. The real question is not wether it helps loose weight, but is if you keep it off afterwards. And in this case the author makes a very compelling argument why this product will not only cause you to regain the weight, but more than you lost.

    Overall it would be a good article if the author killed the first four paragraphs and just started out with a simple intro and then listed the 4 steps. (of course I think most intelligent people would have stopped reading before they got to the four steps, I almost did).

    -mike

  4. Wesley A. Bridle added these pithy words on February 3, 2009 | Permalink

    I think Mike brings up some good points. As this was one of Spencer’s first articles, this marks a milestone in his writing career. A point to learn and grow with his written word.

    I too believe his point is a good one. An expanded stomach will always have a bigger hunger. So unless “Dr. Nick”’s plan is to keep the public loaded on Fullbars like they were crack, then I don’t see a skinny end game.

    Then again, will a slimmer more active body allow for a better metabolism? Is a slimmer fatty even more active? There are some points for debate here.

  5. Charles Spencer added these pithy words on February 4, 2009 | Permalink

    Mike,

    I must admit….

    It’s hard to read written criticism about my philanthropy-inspired volunteer efforts at writing when the criticism is written by someone who is clearly, at least by his posted comment, a horrible writer with no respect for grammar and hardly any tangible respect for me, but I do hear you on both the positive and negative commentary and appreciate it. I may not try to please you specifically in the future, but your commentary is noted in my list of ways to improve my craft and I’d like you to know that you are a part of the greater humanity that I only aim to help, unintelligent asshole that I may be. I have no doubt that we could get together and shoot the shit under different circumstances and find respect and admiration for each other. Thanks for your participation.

    Respectfully,
    Me

  6. Sharon added these pithy words on April 10, 2009 | Permalink

    Thanks for calling me an idiot; that’s fine. As of today, I am down 32.5 pounds since I started, so I guess I am a skinnier idiot.

  7. Julie Adams added these pithy words on April 26, 2009 | Permalink

    thanks-I needed a dose of reality, I was tempted to try it.

  8. Lori added these pithy words on May 6, 2009 | Permalink

    I am actually overeating since starting the “fullbar diet”. I am ravenous. Doesnt work in plain English.

  9. Wesley A. Bridle added these pithy words on May 7, 2009 | Permalink

    In light of Lori’s testimony, I gave this post an edit and new pictures.

  10. Tiffany added these pithy words on May 10, 2009 | Permalink

    The problems with Fullbar are even more basic. The very premises — that fat is always caused by overeating, and that eating less will make people (meaningfully) thinner — are flawed at their core. The truth is, there are many ways to make people temporarily thinner, but no ways to make that weight loss stick. For a good meta-study supporting this conclusion, check out Mann, Traci, et al. “Medicare’s Search for Effective Obesity Treatments: Diets Are Not the Answer.” American Psychologist 62.3 (2007): 220-33. Go from there if you want to reference some individual studies.

    Fullbar is a scam because all weight loss diets are scams. As of right now, there is no scientifically-vetted way to permanently become thinner. This makes dieters the ultimate consumer class. As each dieter feels the rush of temporary success, she (and it is usually a she) experiences the beatific faith of the recently converted. And then, when her body eventually rebels against its artificial state (typically by slowing the metabolism), she blames herself and her lack of willpower. She feels (and perhaps is publically) shamed, and is off to start the cycle again. The best con is one where the victim asks for it.

    I say this as an unapologetic fat girl who would no sooner diet for weight loss than try to grow a third arm. I’m not into wasting my time, and I’m not convinced that there is any intrinsic value — even aesthetically — to being thin. That said, I work out (hard) *at least* four times a week and eat a diet that would make Michael Pollan jealous. I do this for health, not thinness, which are so very much not the same thing.

    Now, if people want to ride this diet ferris-wheel, I am not one to judge. I’ll defend anyone’s right to do anything they want to their own body. But I don’t hate mine enough to fuck it up with fiber bombs and surgical butchery. To each her own.

  11. John added these pithy words on July 1, 2009 | Permalink

    The author is far too concerned, and has based the entire argument upon, the physical effects on/of the stomach.

    The physiological trigger that tells the brain, “I’m full”, comes approximately 15 minutes after actual fullness; hence, overeating.

    The caloric value of a Fullbar filling your stomach, considering its effect on reaching the fore-mentioned trigger, is far less than a triple bacon cheeseburger with fries and a coke from Wendy’s. (You know you want that Frosty).

    Stomach stretching happens only with overeating. Certain fibers and proteins help to tell the brain, “Hey, there’s food down here! Stop eating!.” If you don’t eat those things, then you are more susceptible to overeating. This is the aim of the Fullbar, which I have used sparingly, but with the intended effect; I don’t gorge myself at mealtime.

    As far as break-time excuses and the like, I suspect the author is overweight and is still searching for a magic pill to reduce his/her level of fat-assitudeness.

    There will never be a replacement for common sense. However, dropping the author off in the middle of Ethiopia with a box of Fullbars would be a good start.

  12. Wesley A. Bridle added these pithy words on July 1, 2009 | Permalink

    which is funny because Charles is actually a rail, so I don’t know what he and a box of Fullbars will do, but you can be certain losing weight would not have anything to do with it.

  13. Ryan added these pithy words on August 30, 2009 | Permalink

    If you eat an apple, which has a naturally occurring substance called pectin (nature’s appetite suppressant…think gelatin) in it’s tasty goodness, and drink an 8oz glass of water 30 min before eating, AND as the good Dr. seems to recommend, eat your meal slowly over the course of 20 mins while drinking another 8oz glass of water…I bet you’ll be surprised that you feel full and happy.

    Also, the people using these things as a meal supplement are on a one way track to a physical melt down! There is little to no “beneficial” nutritional value in the bar whatsoever.

    Save yourself the money, buy a water bottle and an apple, then go outside for a walk.

  14. Chubby Hubby added these pithy words on October 8, 2009 | Permalink

    Hey Ryan! An apple (or two) a day! Sometimes the best answer is pretty simple. Thanks for helping my “A-ha!” moment!

  15. Allen added these pithy words on October 9, 2009 | Permalink

    Thanks Ryan,

    I am going to try your apple tip and also focus on eating slower.

    I once was 245 pounds and with proper diet and exercise I got down to 205 pounds. I do enjoy food and gained back 15 to 20 lbs. I do know that no matter what, desire is the true key to losing weight. I find when I stick to natural foods and stay away from processed food, sugar and bread and with moderate exercise I am on the down scale of weight. So thanks Ryan. I will focus on your apple recommendation.

  16. Kitty Litter added these pithy words on November 13, 2009 | Permalink

    I think these are great for someone trying to lose those last ten pounds, so far I have lost four pounds in four days/ I have ten more to go. I feel great, I don’t over eat normally so I think they are good for someone like me. I just use them to replace my breakfast and lunch. When I am done, I will just replace them with a small meal. If you eat a ton of food and are trying to lose forty or more pounds, try weight watchers or Jenny Craig or something else.

  17. Samm Jones added these pithy words on December 23, 2009 | Permalink

    Good or bad, they still advertise it on the Tv stations here in Seattle. Since the addition of the extra channels with DTV, the stations seem to be inclined to carry even commercials from the most disreputable products or companies. (Without even the usual disclaimers)

    So what can we do about it?

    Deluge the stations and your state’s Attorney General!

  18. Wesley A. Bridle added these pithy words on December 24, 2009 | Permalink

    I have found the same to be true, here in L.A. In fact, It was ironic that you left the comment yesterday, as I read it a moment after I had just got done shaking my fist at a FullBar commercial.

    I second your declaration!

  19. dave added these pithy words on January 14, 2010 | Permalink

    I hope you’re not going into writing as a career. Go back to high school and pay attention this time. The first 2 paragraphs are terrible.

  20. Wesley A. Bridle added these pithy words on January 25, 2010 | Permalink

    So bold are the linkless

  21. Nicky added these pithy words on January 30, 2010 | Permalink

    His name is Dr. Michael Snyder

  22. Greg added these pithy words on February 3, 2010 | Permalink

    Wow, what a bunch of angry commentary. Sounds like your struggling with weight loss yourself. This should help.

    The truth is that Full Bars work. In fact they work extremely well when used as a part of a complete program.

    For the vast majority of those who would like to lose weight, whether it be 5 lbs or 50, the difficulty always comes in the form of over portioning, or snacking between meals. This behavior pattern is triggered by one simple thing; Hunger. Eating a Full Bar with 8 oz of water prior to a meal reduces hunger as a direct result of filling the “void”. This reduced Hunger, for those who are serious about weight loss, eliminates over portioning and snacking between meals. (For those who are familiar with Weight Watchers points, a Full Bar qualifies as 3 points) If you still stuff your face after eliminating hunger chances are you have a completely different problem that is causing your situation and should consult your doctor.

    So now for the qualifier. “As a part of a complete program”. Proper Diet and exercise are far more important parts of a successful weight loss program. I prefer to call it a Lifestyle change. Eat better quality foods in smaller portions and incorporate both aerobic (Cardio) and anaerobic exercise (Weights) into your lifestyle. The weight loss comes on its own. Using the Full Bar or any other method to address a condition is only one tool in your complete program.

    My personal experience with all of the above. As a body-builder by hobby I personally struggled with removing 10-20 unwanted pounds that reduce the quality of my labors in the gym. No matter what I tried, I simply could not lose the body fat. No diet that I had come across worked. Diets that are too strict were doomed to fail, and diets that stem from the latest fads are simply not healthy. My down fall was always consuming more calories
    than I was able to burn off especially after the age of 40. When I found Full Bar I was in a GNC store and explained my situation to the staff. They recommended Full Bar. I only eat one a day, usually mid-day 2 hours AFTER lunch. I do this to apply the Full Bar concept directly to my area of weakness. This was the time I either snacked as a result of Hunger, or when I did not snack, I had an appetite so large that by Dinner I over portioned. Over eating at dinner just before you go to bed is without question the worst thing you can do to inhibit weight loss. With the use of the Full Bar as a tool in my complete program I have been able to eliminate the behavior that was triggered by Hunger and made it impossible to achieve my goals. In doing so I have had success.

    It’s really quite simple.

  23. MALACHE added these pithy words on February 3, 2010 | Permalink

    Greg: Did you copy and paste the first part of your comment straight from the full bar website or did it come off of the back of the box?

  24. Greg added these pithy words on February 4, 2010 | Permalink

    I must admit I have not read the back of the box. (Yet, I will now) Sorry of the information seems redundant. I am not trying to advertise the product, and If you can get the same effect from an apple, by all means, eat an apple. That would be far better for you. Apples never worked this well for me so I will continue to use what works for me. Lost another 2 pounds this week!

  25. Michele added these pithy words on February 11, 2010 | Permalink

    They are working for me, although I am using them as a meal replacement because I don’t think it makes sense to eat 160 calories AND then eat a meal. Plus, I’m way too full to eat anything after I have the bar and 8 or more ounces of water.

    I have to say that they really do make me feel very full for quite a while. I have to wait about 4 hours before I can even consider eating something after having one of these.

    Sorry the writer disagrees so strongly. Did you try the Cocoa Chip ones? Maybe that would change your mind ;)

  26. Wesley A. Bridle added these pithy words on February 12, 2010 | Permalink

    I don’t think that Spencer disagrees that within a set balanced diet that Fulbars can achieve weight loss. I don’t speak for him, but guesstimate that he can see that any plan set within a balanced and aheard too diet will drop pounds.

    What Spencer is in objection to is a world where people, who get their stomachs stapled to be smaller, are given a Fullbar to give them a full feeling, to help them limit their calories, and they get a bigger stomach as a result.

    Of course any diet will work, but as Tiffany pointed out above, hardly any diets have long term effect besides drastically altering ones lifestyle.

    Fullbars may work but to pitch them as a lose weight quick seems a bit shady.

  27. Michael Snyder, MD added these pithy words on February 17, 2010 | Permalink

    Thanks for the “provocative” write-up. I am intrigued at your skepticism at who I am, what I do, and what I have created. I am happy to engage you in a thoughtful discussion about the scientific basis of FullBar and related products that I have invented. And, based on our presence in over 35K stores, I think America has spoken loudly that “this works for them.” I AM a bariatric surgeon and have 3 nationally-recognized, centers of excellence. This is who I am and what I do. I am not a “scam artist” (as is implied) and I take all that I do as seriously as I do my consumers and patients. So, if you would like to discuss this at length, I would be honored to do so. I think the reality is far more compelling than the “simulated” controversy. Thanks for your time. Be well, Michael A. Snyder, MD, FACS, PC

  28. happy casualty added these pithy words on February 22, 2010 | Permalink

    dios mio man! you got the doctor-guy to write in and defend his product. i thought for sure people would’ve flocked to my article about not being able to wait for 2012, but hey skinny is the new black, so i’ll let all the kids in on the secret(s): meth, energy drinks, over-exercise in bad neighborhoods, and last but not least: poverty.
    hail satan!
    (that’s right, i worship the devil now)

  29. ANDREA MC added these pithy words on March 2, 2010 | Permalink

    Amazing! You’re so right on it!

    Taking my box back to Costco! They tasted funky anyway! ;0)

    Andrea Mc
    San Jose, CA

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